[bodgit+scarper]

Had some spare time, so I replied to a advert by St omer agency in Yorkshire, floor layer £10 a hour..
Hmm sounds OK
Sent to a tin pot set up called Milner Build who expect me to load up my van with gear and drive round Yorkshire fitting floors stuck it 4 days, 100+ miles a day and fuel is £5 a gallon !!
No travel expenses paid.. soon as I found that I walked.
They also don't do Template paper on vinyl, the other "fitters" use heat guns and hook knifes...
Would not like to see that in six months.
anyway the silly cow at the Agency is absolutely "gobsmacked" I wont do it.
Would you.

[Madshotgundave]

bodgit+scarper, on 28 July 2010 - 01:01 PM, said:

Had some spare time, so I replied to a advert by St omer agency in Yorkshire, floor layer £10 a hour..
Hmm sounds OK
Sent to a tin pot set up called Milner Build who expect me to load up my van with gear and drive round Yorkshire fitting floors stuck it 4 days, 100+ miles a day and fuel is £5 a gallon !!
No travel expenses paid.. soon as I found that I walked.
They also don't do Template paper on vinyl, the other "fitters" use heat guns and hook knifes...
Would not like to see that in six months.
anyway the silly cow at the Agency is absolutely "gobsmacked" I wont do it.
Would you.

Template paper on vinyl why do use template paper on vinyl ?

[banjo]

bodgit+scarper, on 28 July 2010 - 01:01 PM, said:

Had some spare time, so I replied to a advert by St omer agency in Yorkshire, floor layer £10 a hour..
Hmm sounds OK
Sent to a tin pot set up called Milner Build who expect me to load up my van with gear and drive round Yorkshire fitting floors stuck it 4 days, 100+ miles a day and fuel is £5 a gallon !!
No travel expenses paid.. soon as I found that I walked.
They also don't do Template paper on vinyl, the other "fitters" use heat guns and hook knifes...
Would not like to see that in six months.
anyway the silly cow at the Agency is absolutely "gobsmacked" I wont do it.
Would you.

Template Vinyl or Lino?
Why would you have to template vinyl? cant you fit it free hand.

The old story about "cowboys" who slash the flooring in derived from Lino fitting, prob before most fitters nowdays began the trade, yet I hear them say your not gonna slash that in are ya??? Its Polysafe ffs. They think just that its the only way they can fit a vinyl, by template that us that can fit free hand are cowboys, bollox....

Hookies on vinyl no problem,but template, scribe or dividers on lino.

Deffo told them to get fecked on the travel costs though.

[bodgit+scarper]

I can Slash, carve, hook knife with the best, however this was a 1.90x 2.00 meter kitchen built in to a 45% angle wall with 4 units on the pizz, basically a triangle I could template it from start to finish in 15-20 mins, done stuck fit gone. I think a lot of "fitters" have forgotten just how fast a template is in awkward areas to a experienced fitter and it looks right and stays looking right, does not mark freshly painted walls and is very low stress way around awkward things.
They took huff and sent a "real fitter" as they put it, it took him 4 hours a full afternoon in which time I fitted 2 flats in felt back crap carpet including the stairs, around 60m+ and the client will not pay for the vinyl part of job as he burnt the Altro hacking in and it has roll curl and he got blood on the wall, this is my fault as well apparently because if I was a proper fitter I would have just got on with it.
All for 2m of template paper... ABOUT 50P WORTH.
They then had the cheek to tell me it would be my responsibility to replace the vinyl !... Two word Answer

[goatbotherer]

bodgit+scarper, on 28 July 2010 - 01:01 PM, said:

Had some spare time, so I replied to a advert by St omer agency in Yorkshire, floor layer £10 a hour..
Hmm sounds OK
Sent to a tin pot set up called Milner Build who expect me to load up my van with gear and drive round Yorkshire fitting floors stuck it 4 days, 100+ miles a day and fuel is £5 a gallon !!
No travel expenses paid.. soon as I found that I walked.
They also don't do Template paper on vinyl, the other "fitters" use heat guns and hook knifes...
Would not like to see that in six months.
anyway the silly cow at the Agency is absolutely "gobsmacked" I wont do it.
Would you.

I worked for milnerbuild for 8 years on the books.......worked in some right $hite holes....where were you working and who was you dealing with coz theres some total muppets there...

[banjo]

bodgit+scarper, on 28 July 2010 - 02:34 PM, said:

I can Slash, carve, hook knife with the best, however this was a 1.90x 2.00 meter kitchen built in to a 45% angle wall with 4 units on the pizz, basically a triangle I could template it from start to finish in 15-20 mins, done stuck fit gone. I think a lot of "fitters" have forgotten just how fast a template is in awkward areas to a experienced fitter and it looks right and stays looking right, does not mark freshly painted walls and is very low stress way around awkward things.
They took huff and sent a "real fitter" as they put it, it took him 4 hours a full afternoon in which time I fitted 2 flats in felt back crap carpet including the stairs, around 60m+ and the client will not pay for the vinyl part of job as he burnt the Altro hacking in and it has roll curl and he got blood on the wall, this is my fault as well apparently because if I was a proper fitter I would have just got on with it.
All for 2m of template paper... ABOUT 50P WORTH.
They then had the cheek to tell me it would be my responsibility to replace the vinyl !... Two word Answer

Hmmmm... Fifteen to twenty minutes eh??


Is that including a cuppa?

Are you sure its not the gaffa's blood up the wall after you cracked him one?????

[yorkie]

goatbotherer, on 28 July 2010 - 03:53 PM, said:

I worked for milnerbuild for 8 years on the books.......worked in some right $hite holes....where were you working and who was you dealing with coz theres some total muppets there...

hahaha wat gaffa you thinking about i know of one big fat fooka ,did my tree in lol

[Madshotgundave]

Do fitters really template vinyl's this is the first I've heard of it?

[tonybax]

i do its much quicker and neater than hacking it in.
most fitters who knock templates is because they cant take templates.

[carpetman]

tonybax, on 29 July 2010 - 05:37 AM, said:

i do its much quicker and neater than hacking it in.
most fitters who knock templates is because they cant take templates.

I would always prefer to template, especially bathrooms or awkward areas. I template ply also at times

[Trimmer]

If its an awkward area I'll template or if its marmoleum (not done any for about 10 years).
If its a bathroom thats a bit fiddly and I'm plying it then I'll either do a paper template or cut the vinyl in first and use that as a template (sometimes use a paper template on fiddly vinyl's as well).

[coolevilangel]

I Always template lino/marmoleum
Thankfully havnt fitted shitty full on lino in a couple yrs, only marmoleum which is thankfully light years better than lino to fit hehe
If doing bathroom with ply then paper template is far easier and looks better once finished.
Doesnt take much to template! its not hard...
As for templating domestic vinyl...........why?? lol

[Madshotgundave]

Each to there own I suppose I never have and never will I'll template when plying or laminate but never on vinyl's must be a hacker but a very good one as I don't get complaints

[bodgit+scarper]

Depends what Vinyl, Altro will curl on the edges some months later and shrink as will polyfloor, polysafe is soft as shite so easy to freehand, thats why it wears out in no time, it's about choice, I have raced free handers in bathrooms including site formed coved where I can template up the wall and have everything including mitres fit perfectly and ready to stick in and packed up my tools up whilst the free hander is still sweating behind the bog.

[banjo]

tonybax, on 29 July 2010 - 05:37 AM, said:

i do its much quicker and neater than hacking it in.
most fitters who knock templates is because they cant take templates.

Complete bollox. Cutting in not hacking in for starters. And most fitters that only template are shite at cutting in by hand, seen it many times.

I'm not knocking templating for certain types of flooring and i can do both.

If your good at cutting in free hand, then the finish couldnt be better.

Are you realy saying, by the time youve layed the paper out, marked it up then transfer it to the sheet flooring, cut out then install it is quicker then your talking shite.
Not bragging at all but I'd have glued out dropped in and fitted before youve done the template....Simple maths mate.

[banjo]

bodgit+scarper, on 29 July 2010 - 10:53 AM, said:

Depends what Vinyl, Altro will curl on the edges some months later and shrink as will polyfloor, polysafe is soft as shite so easy to freehand, thats why it wears out in no time, it's about choice, I have raced free handers in bathrooms including site formed coved where I can template up the wall and have everything including mitres fit perfectly and ready to stick in and packed up my tools up whilst the free hander is still sweating behind the bog.

Whats shrinking and curling got to do with it??? Templatings not a cure for that (I'm confused)
You've obviously only raced sh1t fitters.

I'll take you up... On yer marks... Get set...

Sticking to the topic though. I only have a problem when folk say its been hacked in, being refered to a cowbow.

[carpetman]

Madshotgundave, on 29 July 2010 - 09:27 AM, said:

Each to there own I suppose I never have and never will I'll template when plying or laminate but never on vinyl's must be a hacker but a very good one as I don't get complaints

Im interested on how do you get the ply to fit round a toilet ? Im mot having a go just curious. I obviously would not template a sheet that I could scribe in, but for an awkward area such as through a doorway or a small bog then I will template every time. I kind of take the attirude that the less joins the better on ply - it doesn't take long and its almost guaranteed to fit.

Ps Just to be clear I would only template commercial vinyl not domestic !

[Nickthecarpet]

carpetman, on 29 July 2010 - 12:05 PM, said:

Im interested on how do you get the ply to fit round a toilet ? Im mot having a go just curious. I obviously would not template a sheet that I could scribe in, but for an awkward area such as through a doorway or a small bog then I will template every time. I kind of take the attirude that the less joins the better on ply - it doesn't take long and its almost guaranteed to fit.

Ps Just to be clear I would only template commercial vinyl not domestic !

The keyword there was almost.

Nearly pissed myself laughing, I did.

[carpetman]

Nickthecarpet, on 29 July 2010 - 02:37 PM, said:

The keyword there was almost.

Nearly pissed myself laughing, I did.

Aren't you funny !

If you knew anything about fitting flooring that you didn't read in a book you would know that some 'fine tuning' is sometimes required.

Where you been anyway ?

[Madshotgundave]

Madshotgundave, on 29 July 2010 - 09:27 AM, said:

Each to there own I suppose I never have and never will I'll template when plying or laminate but never on vinyl's must be a hacker but a very good one as I don't get complaints

My English is poor sometimes don't put correct spaces capital's surprised nick's let me get away with it so far as I seem to remember he's a dab hand at this